Picard v. Kingate Global Fund, Ltd. et al

UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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SECURITIES INVESTOR PROTECTION 	:
CORPORATION, 	: 	No. 08-01789 (SMB)
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Plaintiff, 	: 	SIPA LIQUIDATION
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v. 	: 	(Substantively Consolidated)
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BERNARD L. MADOFF INVESTMENT 	:
SECURITIES LLC, 	:
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Defendant. 	:
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In re: 	:
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BERNARD L. MADOFF, 	:
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Debtor. 	:
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IRVING H. PICARD, Trustee for the 	:
Liquidation of Bernard L. Madoff Investment 	:
Securities LLC, 	: 	Adv. Proc. No. 09-01161 (SMB)
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Plaintiff, 	:
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v. 	:
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FEDERICO CERETTI, et al., 	:
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Defendants. 	:
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MEMORANDUM DECISION AND ORDER REGARDING PLAINTIFF’S
MOTION FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A LETTER OF REQUEST
CONCERNING THE EXAMINATION OF NON-PARTY, CRAIG PERRY
A P P E A R A N C E S:
BAKER & HOSTETLER LLP
Attorneys for Irving H. Picard, Trustee
45 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10111
David J. Sheehan, Esq.
Geraldine E. Ponto, Esq.
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Gonzalo Zeballos, Esq.
Marshall J. Mattera, Esq.
Of Counsel
CLEARY GOTTLIEB STEEN & HAMILTON LLP
Attorneys for HSBC Bank Bermuda Ltd. and Craig Perry
One Liberty Plaza
New York, NY 10006
Thomas J. Moloney, Esq.
Diarra M. Guthrie, Esq.
Jessa I. DeGroote, Esq.
Of Counsel
STUART M. BERNSTEIN
United States Bankruptcy Judge:
The plaintiff, Irving H. Picard, trustee (“Trustee”) for the estate of Bernard L.
Madoff Investment Securities LLC (“BLMIS”) in liquidation pursuant to the Securities
Investor Protection Act, 15 U.S.C. §§ 78aaa, et seq. (“SIPA”) and Bernard L. Madoff
(“Madoff”) has moved for the issuance of a Letter of Request to the Registrar of the
Supreme Court in Hamilton, Bermuda (the “Request”). (Motion for the Issuance of
Letter of Request, dated Oct. 3, 2018 (“Motion”) (ECF Doc. # 372).) 1 	The Trustee seeks
pre-trial discovery in the form of oral testimony from Craig Perry (“Perry”), a senior
employee of HSBC Bank Bermuda Limited (“HSBC Bermuda”). Perry and HSBC
Bermuda (together, the “Respondents”) oppose the Motion. 2 For the reasons that
follow, the Trustee’s Motion is granted to the extent indicated.
1 	“ECF Doc. #” refers to documents filed on the electronic docket of this adversary proceeding.
References to other dockets will include the relevant case number.
2 	HSBC Bermuda was dismissed as a defendant from this adversary proceeding by stipulated order
dated Mar. 9, 2017, based on this Court’s memorandum opinion and order on extraterritoriality and
comity dated Nov. 21, 2016. (ECF Doc. # 281.) On February 25, 2019, the Second Circuit reversed and
vacated the order dismissing HSBC Bermuda and other subsequent transferees. In re Picard, Case No.
17-2992(L), 2019 WL 903978 (2d Cir. Feb. 25, 2019). Following its issuance, the Court spoke
telephonically with the attorneys for the Trustee and the Respondents to solicit their views regarding
whether the Second Circuit’s decision, which would reinstate HSBC Bermuda as a party subject to
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BACKGROUND
The allegations in the Trustee’s Fourth Amended Complaint (“FAC”), dated Mar.
17, 2014 (ECF Doc. # 100), are summarized at length in Picard v. Ceretti (In re BLMIS),
Adv. Proc. No. 09–01161 (SMB), 2015 WL 4734749 (Bankr. S.D.N.Y. Aug. 11, 2015)
(“Kingate Decision”). I assume familiarity with the Kingate Decision and limit the
background discussion to the facts necessary to decide the Motion.
Kingate Global Fund, Ltd. and Kingate Euro Fund, Ltd. (together, the “Kingate
Funds”) were BLMIS feeder funds. (Motion ¶ 5.) They were operated by Federico
Ceretti (“Ceretti”) and Carlo Grosso (“Grosso”) through Kingate Management Limited
(“KML”). (Id. ¶¶ 9-13.) Through KML and other management entities, Ceretti and
Grosso solicited investments in the Kingate Funds, maintained accounts with BLMIS
and invested their own investors’ funds in the Kingate Funds’ BLMIS accounts. (Id. ¶¶
9-15.) Within six years of the commencement of this SIPA proceeding on December 11,
2008 (“Filing Date”), they withdrew $825 million. (FAC ¶ 249.) However, the Kingate
Funds withdrew less than they deposited with BLMIS, and ultimately lost approximately
$700 million once it was learned that Madoff had run a Ponzi scheme and there was
little if any money to pay off BLMIS’ customers, including the Kingate Funds. (Id. ¶ 3.)
The Trustee seeks to recover the $825 million withdrawn by the Kingate Funds
within six years of the Filing Date. (Id. ¶ 249; Counts IV, V, VI & VII); see Kingate
ordinary discovery, mooted the Motion. In response, both sides to the dispute asked me to resolve it.
HSBC Bermuda remains a non-party until the Second Circuit issues the mandate. HSBC Bermuda
indicated that it may seek rehearing and/or file a petition for a writ of certiorari, and the issuance of the
mandate may be delayed indefinitely. See FED . R. APP. P. 41. Furthermore, HSBC Bermuda contends that
this Court lacks personal jurisdiction over it.
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Decision at *2. His case turns on what the Kingate Funds knew about Madoff’s Ponzi
scheme. To sidestep the limitations on the avoidance of transfers contained in 11 U.S.C.
§ 546(e) (the “safe harbor”), the Trustee must establish that the Kingate Funds had
actual knowledge that BLMIS was not engaged in trading securities. 3 Kingate Decision
at *12. The Kingate Decision concluded that the FAC adequately pleaded the Kingate
Funds’ actual knowledge based on a combination of factors, including warnings that
their service providers could not perform adequate due diligence, the monitoring of the
BLMIS investments disclosed impossible trades and unusual industry practices. In
addition, Ceretti and/or Grosso (i) deflected inquiries directed at Madoff for fear of what
they would disclose, (ii) silenced, attacked and threatened those who questioned Madoff
or his practices, (iii) fabricated responses to investor inquiries about Madoff and (iv)
feared what the Kingate Funds’ auditor’s inquiry into BLMIS might reveal. Id. at *13-15.
If the Trustee cannot prove actual knowledge and the safe harbor applies, he can
still recover the intentional fraudulent transfers, aggregating $395 million, made by
BLMIS to the Kingate Funds within two years of the Filing Date pursuant to 11 U.S.C. §
548(a)(1)(A). Id. at *2. In that case, he must circumvent the “good faith for value”
defense under 11 U.S.C. § 548(c) by establishing that the Kingate Funds willfully blinded
themselves to the fact that BLMIS was not actually engaged in trading securities. 4 	Id.
at *12. Willful blindness consists of two elements: “(1) the defendant must subjectively
3 	The FAC also includes a claim to recover preferential transfers, aggregating $255 million, made
within ninety days of the Filing Date. (FAC ¶ 251, Count I); Kingate Decision at *2. This claim is also
protected by the safe harbor, and the Trustee must establish the same degree of knowledge needed to
support the six-year fraudulent transfer claims.
4 	The Kingate Funds gave “value” because they were net losers; they withdrew their own deposits.
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believe that there is a high probability that a fact exists and (2) the defendant must take
deliberate actions to avoid learning of that fact.” Global-Tech Appliances, Inc. v. SEB
S.A., 563 U.S. 754, 769, 131 S. Ct. 2060, 179 L. Ed. 2d 1167 (2011).
The Proposed Letter of Request
HSBC Bermuda (f/k/a Bank Bermuda Limited) served as custodian for the
Kingate Funds during their entire existence. (Motion ¶ 23; FAC ¶¶ 39, 41, 79-80, 242-
44.) As custodian, HSBC Bermuda maintained bank accounts for the Kingate Funds,
entered into transactions on their behalf and transferred funds into and out of the
Kingate Funds’ bank account. (Motion ¶ 28.) HSBC Bermuda was the bank through
which the Kingate Funds made all deposits into and redemptions from BLMIS. (Id. ¶
22.) All funds transferred from the Kingate Funds’ customers to BLMIS went through
the Kingate Funds’ accounts at HSBC Bermuda. (Id.) Perry was the HSBC Bermuda
senior account manager for the Kingate Funds and communicated with agents of the
Kingate Funds regarding BLMIS, including Grosso and Shazieh Salahuddin
(“Salahuddin”), an employee of KML. (Id. ¶¶ 23, 28.) In internal communications at
KML, Salahuddin identified discrepancies with the net asset values of the Kingate Funds
and lack of diligence materials. (FAC ¶¶ 121, 131.)
The Trustee filed the Motion because Perry, a Bermuda resident, refuses to testify
voluntarily. The Request, which is attached to the Motion as part of Exhibit A, lists the
following sixteen topics (each a “Topic” and collectively, “Topics”) for the examination of
Perry:
1. 	The custodian agreement between HSBC and the Kingate Funds.
2. 	Custody of the Kingate Funds’ assets by BLMIS.
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3. 	HSBC’s procedures for performing its role as the Kingate Funds’
custodian.
4. 	Change in procedures following HSBC’s acquisition of The Bank of
Bermuda Limited in 2004.
5. 	Accounts held by the Kingate Funds at HSBC and the administration of
those accounts, including the deficits and/or shortfalls in the accounts, the
“sweep account,” and/or use of web-based account access.
6. 	HSBC’s fees for acting as the Kingate Funds’ custodian.
7. 	The daily and/or weekly “Client View” reports sent by HSBC to KML.
8. 	Forward contract and/or currency hedging transactions performed by
HSBC on behalf of the Kingate Funds.
9. 	Communications between Ms. Salahuddin and other KML employees and
HSBC concerning the Kingate Funds’ accounts with HSBC.
10. 	Internal communications concerning the Kingate Funds’ accounts with
HSBC.
11. 	Communications with Messrs. Grosso and Ceretti, and FIM regarding the
Kingate Funds’ accounts with HSBC.
12. 	HSBC’s hold placed on the Kingate Funds’ accounts.
13. 	Communications from and/or with the Kingate Funds’ investors after
December 11, 2008.
14. 	HSBC’s freezing of the Kingate Funds’ HSBC bank accounts after
December 11, 2008.
15. 	Payments made out of the Kingate Funds’ HSBC bank accounts after
December 11, 2008.
16. 	HSBC’s review of BLMIS.
(Request 6-7.) In support, the Trustee keys the Topics to specific allegations in
paragraphs of the FAC. (Request 5; FAC ¶¶ 2-3, 8, 79-80, 217-22, 225, 242-61.)
Opposition to the Proposed Letter of Request
The Respondents oppose the Motion and the Request. (Memorandum of Law in
Opposition to the Trustee’s Motion for a Letter of Request Pursuant to The Hague
Convention (“Opposition”), dated Oct. 9, 2018 (ECF Doc. # 374).) Conceding that the
issuance of the Request is committed to the Court’s discretion, the Respondents
nevertheless contend that the Trustee has failed to demonstrate the materiality and
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relevance of the information he seeks or that the Request is necessary to obtain the
information. (Id. ¶ 5.) They argue that the paragraphs in the FAC identified by the
Trustee contain undisputed information, seek irrelevant information, Perry lacks direct
knowledge and the information can be obtained from the Kingate Funds. (Id. ¶¶ 6-8.)
Trustee’s Response
The Trustee’s response (Response in Further Support of Plaintiff’s Motion for the
Issuance of Letter of Request (“Response”), dated Oct. 23, 2018 (ECF Doc. # 380)),
asserts that the information sought from Perry is “highly relevant to the claims and
defenses in this proceeding and proportional to the needs of the case.” (Id. at 2.) Perry
has been an employee of HSBC Bermuda and its predecessor from at least 2001 to the
present, was the senior account manager responsible for the Kingate Funds and a “key
person responsible for performing HSBC’s duties as custodian to the Kingate Funds.”
(Id., Ex. 2, ECF p. 3-4 of 9.) As such, Perry “is a vital source of information relating to
HSBC [Bermuda]’s role as custodian for the Kingate Funds for the entirety of their
operations.” (Id. at 2.)
The Trustee believes that Perry will provide information that bears on “the flows
of money into and out of the Kingate Funds and the Kingate Funds’ state of mind and
business relationships.” (Id.) In particular, Perry communicated with Ceretti, Grosso,
KML employees and others who played key roles in management of the Kingate Funds,
which will bear on the Kingate Funds’ “state of mind,” including whether they had actual
knowledge of the BLMIS fraud. (Id. at 4 & n.13.) The knowledge of the Kingate Funds’
agents, including Ceretti, Grosso and KML, may be imputed to the Kingate Funds. (Id.
at 4, n.14.) Thus, Perry’s testimony may assist the Trustee in proving the claims in the
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FAC. (Id. at 5.) In addition, the Trustee and the Kingate Funds have not agreed on the
amount of the transfers from BLMIS to the Kingate Funds. (Id., Ex. 1, ECF p. 1, 3-4 of
4.) Finally, the Trustee seeks to question Perry about the freezing and unfreezing of
accounts and transfers out of the Kingate Funds’ HSBC Bermuda bank accounts after
December 11, 2008, the date of Madoff’s arrest. (Id., Ex. 2, ECF p. 8 of 9.)
Supplemental Opposition
Respondents filed their Supplemental Memorandum of Law in Further Support
of HSBC Bank Bermuda and Craig Perry’s Opposition to Trustee’s Motion for a Letter
of Request (“Supplemental Opposition”), dated Oct. 29, 2018 (ECF Doc. # 384).) 5 For
the most part, the Supplemental Opposition repeats the arguments in the Opposition.
In addition, the Respondents submitted the Declaration of Jessa DeGroote in Support
of the Supplemental Memorandum of Law in Further Support of HSBC Bank Bermuda
and Craig Perry’s Opposition to Trustee’s Motion for a Letter of Request (“DeGroote
Declaration”), dated Oct. 29, 2018 (ECF Doc. # 383), which attaches various documents
relating to discovery limitations under Bermuda law, including an opinion issued by a
Bermuda court on consideration of a letter of request from a U.S. court, NetBank v.
Commercial Money Center, Civ. J. 2004 No. 112, [2004] Bda L.R. 46 (Sup. Ct. Bermuda
Oct. 27, 2004) (“NetBank”). The Respondents argue that Bermuda limits examinations
to trial testimony, and consequently, the Trustee’s proposed topics must be narrowed
under principles of international comity. (Supplemental Opposition 1 n. 3.)
5 	The briefing schedule agreed to by the parties and ordered by the Court allowed for the
Respondents to file a reply to the Trustee’s response. (Stipulation and Order Setting Briefing Schedule,
dated Oct. 22, 2018 (ECF Doc. # 377).) The Trustee had not filed a memorandum of law with the Motion.
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Hearing
The Court heard the Motion on October 31, 2018. (Transcript of 10/31/18 Hr’g
(“Tr.”) (ECF Doc. # 400).) The Respondents’ counsel urged the Court to consider not
only the standard for discovery under Rule 26, but also “apply[] principles of comity,
send a request to Bermuda that is within the scope of what they allow there.” (Id. 19:8-
10.) Bermuda, like other U.K. jurisdictions, generally does not allow discovery
depositions, but will allow the taking of testimony for purposes of trial where the
witness will be unavailable. (Id. 19:18-24.) The Respondents argued that the Request
should be limited “to the issues at trial and relevant to what will be presented at trial
. . . .” (Id. 20:19-20.)6 The Trustee responded that this Court did not have to concern
itself with the Bermuda discovery rules because “as a practical matter, the way that we
envision this issue being dealt with is by both the Bermuda examiner and the Bermuda
court. And they can deal with the interpretation of Bermuda law.” (Id. 24:8-11.)
DISCUSSION
Letters Rogatory
A letter rogatory, or letter of request, is “a formal request from a court in which
an action is pending, to a foreign court to perform some judicial act.” Lantheus Med.
Imaging, Inc. v. Zurich Am. Ins., 841 F. Supp. 2d 769, 775 (S.D.N.Y. 2012); accord
Blagman v. Apple, Inc., No. 12 Civ. 5453 (ALC)(JCF), 2014 WL 1285496, at *3 (S.D.N.Y.
Mar. 31, 2014) (“Letters rogatory are the means by which a court can formally request
that a court in another country lend its judicial assistance in obtaining evidence or
6 	The Respondents concede that Topics 9 and 11, which deal with communications between HSBC
Bank and the Kingate Funds or their agents, might be proper if “properly framed.” (Tr. 21:4-21.)
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performing some other judicial act.”); 28 U.S.C. § 1781(b)(2) (providing that letters
rogatory may be transmitted “directly from a tribunal in the United States to the foreign
or international tribunal . . . to whom it is addressed . . .”). Letters of request are “the
medium, in effect, whereby one country, speaking through one of its courts, requests
another country, acting through its own courts and by methods of court procedure
peculiar thereto and entirely within the latter’s control, to assist the administration of
justice in the former country.” United States v. Al Fawwaz, No. S7 98 Crim. 1023 LAK,
2014 WL 627083, *2 (S.D.N.Y. Feb. 18, 2014) (quoting DBMS Consultants Ltd. v.
Computer Assocs. Int’l, Inc., 131 F.R.D. 367, 369 (D. Mass. 1990) (quoting The Signe, 37
F. Supp. 819, 820 (E.D. La. 1941))).
Parties in civil proceedings in United States courts may use letters rogatory to
take evidence from “a specific person within the foreign jurisdiction.” Lantheus, 841 F.
Supp. 2d at 775 (citation omitted); see also F ED. R. CIV. P. 28(b)(1)(B).7 Letters rogatory
are “an appropriate mechanism for securing the testimony of other witnesses who
cannot be compelled to appear” by the court in which the action is pending, In re
Optimal U.S. Litig., 837 F. Supp. 2d 244, 259 (S.D.N.Y. 2011) (citation and internal
7 	Rule 28(b) provides in pertinent part:
(1) In General. A deposition may be taken in a foreign country:
. . .
(B) under a letter of request, whether or not captioned a “letter rogatory”;
. . . .
(2) Issuing a Letter of Request or a Commission. A letter of request, a commission, or
both may be issued:
(A) on appropriate terms after an application and notice of it; and
(B) without a showing that taking the deposition in another manner is
impracticable or inconvenient.
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quotations omitted), and may be “the only means to request documents or testimony
from foreign non-parties over whom the court has no personal jurisdiction and who are
beyond the subpoena power of the court.” The GAP, Inc. v. Stone Int’l Trading, Inc.,
No. 93 Civ. 0638 (SWK), 1994 WL 38651, *1 (S.D.N.Y. Feb. 4, 1994). The decision of
whether to issue letters rogatory “is committed to the court’s discretion.” Blagman,
2014 WL 1285496, at *4; see also United States v. Al Fawwaz, 2014 WL 627083, *2
(“[I]t is well settled that the decision of whether to issue letters rogatory lies within a
district court’s sound discretion.”) (quoting United States v. Jefferson, 594 F. Supp. 2d
655, 675 (E.D. Va. 2009) (citation omitted)).
In considering whether to issue a letter of request to a foreign court for the taking
of evidence, “courts apply the discovery principles contained in Federal Rule of Civil
Procedure 26.” Villella v. Chem. & Mining Co. of Chile Inc., No. 15 Civ. 2106 (ER), 2018
WL 2958361, *3 (S.D.N.Y. June 13, 2018) (quoting Joseph v. Gnutti Carlo S.p.A., No.
15-cv-8910 (AJN), 2016 WL 4083433, at *1 (S.D.N.Y. July 25, 2016) (citation omitted));
see also Lantheus, 841 F. Supp. 2d at 776; Blagman, 2014 WL 1285496, at *4; cf.
Bisnews AFE (Thailand) Ltd. v. Aspen Research Grp. Ltd., No. 11 Civ. 3108 (NRB),
2012 WL 4784632, at *3 (S.D.N.Y. Oct. 4, 2012) (concluding that while there is no
uniform standard for evaluating the issuance of letters rogatory, “it is clear that a court
should not authorize the service of letters rogatory if it would not approve of the
discovery requests in a purely domestic context”). Rule 26, applicable to adversary
proceedings pursuant to Federal Rule of Bankruptcy Procedure 7026, provides that,
unless limited by court order:
Parties may obtain discovery regarding any nonprivileged matter that is
relevant to any party’s claim or defense and proportional to the needs of
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the case, considering the importance of the issues at stake in the action,
the amount in controversy, the parties’ relative access to relevant
information, and whether the burden or expense of the proposed discovery
outweighs its likely benefit. Information within this scope of discovery
need not be admissible in evidence to be discoverable.
F ED. R. CIV. P. 26(b)(1).
Rule 26 is “liberally construed and is necessarily broad in scope in order ‘to
encompass any matter that bears on, or that reasonably could lead to [an] other matter
that could bear on, any issue that is or may be in the case.’” MacCartney v. O’Dell, No.
14-cv-3925 (NSR), 2018 WL 5023947, at *2 (S.D.N.Y. Oct. 16, 2018) (quoting
Oppenheimer Fund, Inc. v. Sanders, 437 U.S. 340, 351, 98 S. Ct. 2380, 57 L. Ed. 2d 253
(1978)). Discovery is “not limited to issues raised by the pleadings,” nor to “the merits
of a case,” Id. (quoting Oppenheimer, 437 U.S. at 351), and is warranted “if there is ‘any
possibility’ that the information sought to be obtained may be relevant to the subject
matter of the action.” Id. (quoting Daval Steel Prods. V. M/V Fakredine, 951 F.2d 1357,
1367 (2d Cir. 1991)). Discovery is relevant “if there is a possibility that the information
sought may [] have a bearing on any party’s claim or defense.” Id. (citation omitted,
emphasis in original). “While not ‘unlimited, relevance, for purposes of discovery, is an
extremely broad concept.’” Joseph v. Gnutti, 2016 WL 4083433, at *1 (quoting Chen-
Oster v. Goldman, Sachs & Co., 293 F.R.D. 557, 561 (S.D.N.Y. 2013)). “It is well-
established within this Circuit that [Rule 26] will be satisfied if there is ‘any possibility’
that the information sought to be obtained may be relevant to the subject matter of the
action.” MacCartney v. O’Dell, 2017 WL 766906, at *2 (quoting Daval Steel, 951 F.2d at
1367 (quoting Morse/Diesel, Inc. v. Fidelity & Deposit Co. of Maryland, 122 F.R.D. 447,
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449 (S.D.N.Y. 1988) (quoting Mallinckrodt Chem. Works v. Goldman Sachs & Co., 58
F.R.D. 348, 353 (S.D.N.Y. 1973)))).
The burden of demonstrating the relevance of the requested discovery “falls on
the party seeking discovery, but once relevance has been shown, it is up to the
responding party to justify curtailing discovery.” Joseph v. Gnutti, 2016 WL 4083433,
at *1 (quoting Chen-Oster, 293 F.R.D. at 561). While the party seeking discovery
pursuant to a letter of request bears the burden of persuasion, “that burden is not a
heavy one.” Villella, 2018 WL 2958361, at *3 (citations omitted). On the other hand,
“[a] party opposing issuance of a letter rogatory must show good reason why such letter
should not issue.” Sec. Ins. Co. of Hartford v. Trustmark Ins. Co., 218 F.R.D. 24, 26 (D.
Conn. 2003) (quotation omitted). The party opposing discovery “must supply specific
evidence demonstrating the nature of the burden.” Blagman, 2014 WL 1285496, at *8
(holding that there was no showing of undue burden where the party merely noted the
possibility of “significant expenses” and “significant delays”).
Comity
The Respondents have argued that the requested examination is improper under
principles of comity because it does not comply with Bermuda law. Comity is defined as
“the recognition which one nation allows within its territory to the legislative, executive
or judicial acts of another nation, having due regard both to international duty and
convenience, and to the rights of its own citizens, or of other persons who are under the
protection of its laws.” Hilton v. Guyot, 159 U.S. 113, 163-64, 16 S. Ct. 139, 40 L. Ed. 95
(1895) (noting that comity “is neither a matter of absolute obligation, on the one hand,
nor of mere courtesy and good will, upon the other”). In Société Nationale Industrielle
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Aérospatiale v. U.S. Dist. Court for S. Dist. of Iowa, 482 U.S. 522, 107 S. Ct. 2542, 96 L.
Ed. 2d 461 (1987), the Supreme Court addressed the role of comity in connection with
pre-trial discovery from a foreign party. There, the plaintiffs brought products liability
claims arising out of the crash of an aircraft manufactured in France. The plaintiffs
served discovery requests on two French defendants over whom the District Court had
personal jurisdiction that were owned by the French Government. Id. at 524. The issue
before the Supreme Court was whether the Hague Convention on the Taking of
Evidence Abroad in Civil or Commercial Matters, Mar. 18, 1970, 23 U.S.T. 2555 (the
“Hague Evidence Convention”) ─ a treaty ─ provided the exclusive means of taking
discovery abroad.8 Société Nationale, 482 U.S. at 524.
Although the Supreme Court concluded that the Hague Evidence Convention was
not the exclusive means of obtaining foreign discovery from a signatory, it observed that
considerations of comity applied. Noting that “American courts, in supervising pretrial
proceedings, should exercise special vigilance to protect foreign litigants from the
danger that unnecessary, or unduly burdensome, discovery may place them in a
disadvantageous position,” id. at 546, and that when parties seek evidence abroad, the
courts “must supervise pretrial proceedings particularly closely to prevent discovery
abuses,” id., the Court stated:
[W]e have long recognized the demands of comity in suits involving
foreign states, either as parties or as sovereigns with a coordinate interest
in the litigation. See Hilton v. Guyot, 159 U.S. 113, 16 S. Ct. 139, 40 L. Ed.
95 (1895). American courts should therefore take care to demonstrate due
respect for any special problem confronted by the foreign litigant on
account of its nationality or the location of its operations, and for any
8 	While the United Kingdom is a party to the Hague Evidence Convention, it has not extended its
application to the U.K. territory of Bermuda.
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sovereign interest expressed by a foreign state. We do not articulate
specific rules to guide this delicate task of adjudication.
Id. (footnote omitted). 9
The Trustee argues that comity is not a concern where, as here, he seeks to take
the deposition of a non-party over whom the Court lacks personal jurisdiction. After all,
the Bermuda Court will decide the appropriate scope of inquiry. However, the Bermuda
Court will face its own comity concerns if this Court ignores it. If this Court orders
foreign discovery without any consideration of the laws of Bermuda, the Bermuda Court
will have to decide whether to honor an order of this Court under principles of comity
that may conflict with its internal discovery rules. See NetBank at 14 10 (quoting
Minnesota v. Philip Morris Inc., [1997] EWCA (Civ) 2241, [¶ 17], [1998] I.L. Pr. 170
(Eng.) (“[T]he approach of this court and other courts in this jurisdiction will be to seek
to assist a foreign court wherever it is appropriate.”)). In addition, while most decisions
consider comity when determining whether to follow the Hague Evidence Convention,
see, e.g., Crouch v. Liberty Pride Corp., No. CV 15-974 (JS)(AYS), 2016 WL 4718431, at
*2 (E.D.N.Y. Sept. 9, 2016); Al-Rayes v. Willingham, No. 3:15-CV-107-J-34JBT, 2016
WL 9528073, at *1 (M.D. Fla. Aug. 11, 2016); Cascade Yarns, Inc. v. Knitting Fever,
9 	Earlier in its opinion, the Supreme Court identified several factors relevant to a comity analysis:
(1) the importance to the litigation of the documents or other information requested; (2) the degree of
specificity of the request; (3) whether the information originated in the United States; (4) the availability
of alternative means of securing the information; and (5) the extent to which noncompliance with the
request would undermine important interests of the United States, or compliance with the request would
undermine important interests of the state where the information is located. 482 U.S. at 544 n. 28
(quotation marks and ellipsis omitted) (quoting the Restatement of Foreign Relations Law of the United
States (Revised) § 437(1)(c) (Tent. Draft No. 7, Apr. 10, 1986, pp. 28-29) (approved May 14, 1986)). As
noted, however the Supreme Court did not adopt specific rules to guide the comity analysis relating to
foreign discovery requests.
10 	A copy of the NetBank decision is attached as Exhibit D to the DeGroote Declaration. The page
references refer to the page numbers listed in the upper right-hand corner of each page of Exhibit D.
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Inc., No. C10-861 RSM, 2014 WL 202102, at *1-2 (W.D. Wash. Jan. 17, 2014); Luzzi v.
ATP Tour, Inc., No. 3:09-CV-1155-J-32MCR, 2010 WL 746493, at *1 (M.D. Fla. Mar. 2,
2010); Madanes v. Madanes, 199 F.R.D. 135, 141 (S.D.N.Y. 2001), comity
considerations have been applied even when the letter of request is directed, as here, to
a non-signatory of the Hague Evidence Convention. Triumph Aerostructures, LLC v.
Comau, Inc., No. 3:14-CV-2329-L, 2015 WL 5502625, at *3 (N.D. Tex. Sept. 18, 2015).
The Trustee’s request to take Perry’s deposition does not raise the concerns
regarding abusive foreign discovery articulated by the Supreme Court. The Trustee does
not seek the production of documents, and the costs and inconvenience to Perry and
HSBC Bermuda should be minimal. Moreover, his testimony may prove important to
the Kingate Funds’ state of mind and notwithstanding the Respondents’ speculation,
Perry may know something that no one else does. If Perry knows nothing, as the
Respondents contend, it will be a very short deposition.
Nevertheless, U.S. and Bermuda law conflict regarding the appropriate scope of
pre-trial depositions. Pre-trial oral examinations are not per se improper under
Bermuda law. However, unlike U.S. law, Bermuda law distinguishes between a
deposition seeking direct evidence for use at trial and a deposition seeking, or “fishing”
for, further evidence. The former is permissible; the latter is not. See NetBank at 13-14.
The appropriate test, adopted by the NetBank court, at 12, was explained by the English
Court of Appeal in First Am. Corp. v. Sheik Zayed Bin Sultan Al-Nahyan, [1998] EWCA
(Civ) 817, [¶ 22] [1999] I.L. Pr. 179 (Eng.):
If oral evidence is being sought for the purpose of use at trial and if there is
good reason to believe that the intended witness has knowledge of matters
in issue at the trial so as to be likely to be able to give evidence relevant to
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those issues, I do not understand how an application to have the intended
witness orally examined can be described as “fishing”. It cannot be
necessary that it be known in advance what answers to the questions the
witness can give. Nor can it be necessary that the answers will be
determinative of one or other of the issues in the action.
Furthermore, the question of what is relevant to an issue in the foreign action “is
primarily a matter for the foreign court.” NetBank at 13 (quoting First Am. Corp.,
[1998] EWCA (Civ) 817, [¶ 26]). Accordingly, a Bermuda court will “look at the issue of
the relevance of the requested testimony, if it is raised, in broad terms, leaving to the
foreign court, in all but the clearest cases, the decision as to whether particular answers,
or answers on particular topics, would constitute relevant admissible evidence.” Id.
(quoting First Am. Corp., [1998] EWCA (Civ) 817, [¶ 7]).
The Topics
Earlier in this opinion, the Court set out the relevant issues relating to the
Kingate Funds’ state of mind and actions: what it knew, what it suspected, what it did.
That state of mind can only be proven through the testimony of individuals, including
individuals whose own knowledge may be imputed to the Kingate Funds. Moreover,
Perry will be unavailable at trial, and the parties will have to use his deposition in lieu of
his live testimony. Nevertheless, many of the Topics read like the Trustee is “fishing”
and their relevance has not been explained. For example, several of the Topics seek
general information regarding Kingate Funds’ bank accounts. (See Topics 3, 4, 5, 8, 10.)
The Trustee has failed to articulate what evidence he hopes to garner from this inquiry.
Rather than parse the various Topics, the Court has considered those areas in
which Perry may be able to give probative testimony based on his position and the
Court’s knowledge of the issues. Because I do not know what Perry will say, it is
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impossible to be more precise than to map out the following general areas that are
highly relevant to the issues to be tried:
1. 	HSBC’s role as the Kingate Funds’ custodian.
HSBC Bermuda served as the custodian for Kingate Funds’ cash assets, and Perry
was the senior account manager. It is not clear whether HSBC Bermuda performed any
duties relating to the Kingate Funds’ BLMIS accounts aside from transfers between
BLMIS and the Kingate Funds although the Trustee alleges that HSBC issued a warning
about the Kingate Funds based on Madoff’s penchant for secrecy. (FAC ¶ 225.) Given
his position, Perry may have personal knowledge regarding the warning and the extent,
if any, that HSBC Bermuda monitored Kingate Funds’ assets including the assets
supposedly held by BLMIS. If it did, any information HSBC Bermuda learned about the
state of the assets in the BLMIS accounts or Madoff would be highly relevant to its own
state of mind which may be imputable to the Kingate Funds.
According to the Trustee, a dispute exists between the Trustee and the Kingate
Funds regarding the actual amount of deposits into and withdrawals from the Kingate
Funds’ BLMIS accounts. That money passed through HSBC Bermuda, and Perry may
have direct knowledge of the transfers or be able to interpret documents in the Trustee’s
possession that reflect those transfers.
Finally, HSBC Bermuda’s compensation arrangement with the Kingate Funds is
relevant. For example, Trustee should be entitled to inquire into whether any
compensation was based on the value of the BLMIS assets or the number of transactions
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relating to BLMIS. If it was, HSBC Bermuda might be more willing to turn a blind eye
to Madoff’s fraud to ensure that the compensation would continue to flow.
2. 	Communications With the Kingate Funds Regarding Their
BLMIS Accounts.
The Trustee alleges that Perry or others at HSBC Bermuda communicated with
agents of Kingate Funds, including Ceretti, Grosso and their service providers such as
KML. One example is included in paragraph 225 of the Fourth Amended Complaint
where the Trustee alleges:
In June 2008, HSBC issued a warning about the Kingate Funds due lack of
communication and information coming from Madoff regarding his
strategy and the IA Business. Grosso dismissed the HSBC analyst as a
“junior guy” and a “joker” for “rehashing old arguments” against Madoff.
Grosso admitted that such concerns about Madoff were “not new” and that
“[t]his has been going on for 20 years.” Ceretti communicated directly
with an HSBC Monaco representative, “remind[ing] them that they
[HSBC] are [] administrator of Kinagate [sic] and sevral [sic] other funds
and that also several clients are banking with them . . . .” The HSBC
Monaco representative reassured Ceretti that people would be fired for
issuing the warning.
FAC ¶ 225 (emphasis and alterations in original).
In addition to the warning, Perry may have personal knowledge of statements by
Grosso and/or Ceretti threatening HSBC, dismissing the HSBC warning with ad
hominin attacks on the HSBC analyst who issued it and deflecting inquiries regarding
Madoff. This evidence bears directly on the Kingate Funds’ state of mind. In fact, the
Court relied on the allegations in paragraph 225 in ruling that the Fourth Amended
Complaint adequately alleged the Kingate Funds’ actual knowledge of Madoff’s Ponzi
scheme. See Kingate Decision at *14.
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The Court does not mean to suggest that the Trustee’s inquiry is limited to the
allegations in paragraph 225 and the Respondents acknowledge that Topics 9 and 11 are
appropriate areas of inquiry. Any communications between HSBC Bermuda and the
Kingate Funds relating to their BLMIS accounts or Madoff is relevant. As the Court
cannot anticipate what Perry knows, it cannot restrict the inquiry any further.
3. 	Other Communications Regarding Kingate Funds’ BLMIS
Accounts.
As custodian, HSBC Bermuda’s own knowledge of the Kingate Funds’
BLMIS accounts may also be imputable to the Kingate Funds. As the senior account
manager, Perry may have communicated with other persons outside of HSBC Bermuda
or the Kingate Funds regarding the Kingate Funds’ BLMIS accounts or Madoff. For the
same reasons, these statements may be probative of HSBC Bermuda’s knowledge or
suspicions, and its knowledge and suspicions may be imputable to the Kingate Funds.
4. 	The Reasons for Freezing Kingate Funds’ HSBC Bermuda Bank
Accounts and Subsequent Payments From Those Accounts.
The Motion indicates that HSBC Bermuda froze the Kingate Funds’ bank
accounts after Madoff’s arrest but then unfroze them. The freezing of the accounts may
have resulted from HSBC Bermuda’s concern regarding the Kingate Funds’ BLMIS
assets following Madoff’s arrest. And having frozen the accounts, the Trustee is entitled
to question Perry regarding the reason for unfreezing the accounts notwithstanding the
disclosure of Madoff’s fraud.
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CONCLUSION
The Court has considered the Topics, and in the exercise of its discretion and, in
light of the comity considerations articulated by Respondents, concludes that the
deposition should be limited to the areas set out above. Nevertheless, it is not the intent
of the Court to hamstring the Trustee and he should be entitled to leeway in the
questions he asks within the scope of these areas. The Court does not know what Perry
will say and the Trustee does not have to accept his or HSBC Bermuda’s representation
that he knows nothing or his knowledge duplicates what others know. Accordingly, the
Trustee should redraft his letter of request consistent with this opinion and settle it on
notice to Perry and HSBC Bermuda.
So ordered
Dated: 	New York, New York
March 5, 2019
/s/ Stuart M. Bernstein
STUART M. BERNSTEIN
United States Bankruptcy Judge
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